How to Get Past the “Messy Middle” of a Big Change | Mary Martin | TED

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Did progress on your next big project stall out? Transformation expert Mary Martin refers to this moment as the "messy middle" — the frustrating gap between starting and finishing a goal, when you might lose confidence or give up altogether. Offering three ways to find glimmers of progress when the going gets tough, she explores what to do when you feel stuck. (Recorded at TED@BCG on October 23, 2025)

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00:04I snapped this photo of my daughter this summer when we had the chance to hike together on our vacation in Colorado. I know you can't see her face, but I promise she's smiling. She is so glad she made it to the top of the mountain. But actually, the photo op almost didn't happen because after starting out with incredible optimism and excitement and joining me on this hike, she quickly began to grow tired.

00:33Her seven-year-old legs, after an hour of steep terrain, had had all they could take, and she was getting frustrated and tearyeyed. And I realized I needed to shift from hiking companion to cheerleader. I know you can do it. I've actually been to the top of this mountain and we're almost there.

00:57Of course, we can turn around if you need to, but I think you're going to be glad that you made it. She was really ready to give up. But then she scrambled up that last little ledge to the top and all of that frustration faded as she saw the view and took in the sunshine.

01:18She was so proud of herself. Now, even if you've never been hiking, which I do encourage if you haven't, I imagine you can relate to this story because no matter whether you've started a business, made a big career switch, or just tried to take up tennis at the age of 40, not that I know anything about that, we all have experienced what I call the messy middle.

01:49It's that moment when the pinnacle seems completely out of reach, even though you've done everything right. As a senior leader in BCG's digital and AI practice, I've worked with dozens of business leaders as they've transformed their companies using new technologies.

02:09Almost every one of these transformation journeys starts out in the same way. There's a lot of excitement. There's a lot of optimism because everyone knows this is the opportunity to do something new. But inevitably, they hit the messy middle.

02:24Maybe results are slow to materialize. Maybe their teams start to lose confidence. Or maybe the market changes. It's out of their control. And no matter what the context, just like my daughter, even very seasoned executives grow frustrated in this moment.

02:45And many of them actually want to call off the transformation. Well, as much as we want to avoid those messy middle moments, I would argue not only are they inevitable, they're a good thing. Why? Because messiness is a sign of bold ambition.

03:05Change absolutely is hard simply because it's hard. Transformation without a messy middle means you probably won't get the big results you were hoping for. And so instead of being afraid of this moment, you should embrace it. It means you're on the right track.

03:26Okay, obviously that doesn't make it easy. We need tools to weather the messy middle successfully. And my advice is to look for glimmers of progress, small indicators that you're on the right track, even when the summit is completely out of sight.

03:42The first place I look for these glimmers of progress is in results for the business. So, one of my clients is a fast food chicken brand. And when we started working together, their operations were fairly slow. It took about 18 minutes to cook an order of chicken wings.

04:00And that was because they were cooking fresh chicken and not precooked frozen chicken. So, I don't know if you've ever had chicken wings, but when they're freshly cooked, they are delicious. But customers were pretty unhappy because time was long.

04:16They didn't want to wait that long. We needed a way to speed things up without sacrificing quality. So we designed an AI powered forecasting tool that would predict how many customer orders were going to be placed and then would guide the employees in the store on how much chicken to prepare so there was always fresh chicken when orders were placed.

04:41Great vision. The CEO knew this was the right approach, but it was going to take some time. We needed to design, we needed to build, and then we needed to scale it out. And in the meantime, the CEO had to go to all those franchises and convince them that they should make some meaningful investments in this new technology.

05:02We didn't have a year to wait and hope that the results turned out like we expected. So, we focused on finding glimmers of progress. We built a very rudimentary version of the tool and then we took it on a clipboard, printed Excel sheet and a pen.

05:20We went one night into a restaurant and we stood with the employees and we guided them on how to prepare the food. So, how about you drop 25 chicken wings into the fryer now? 15 minutes later, now drop 60 chicken wings into the fryer. That first test showed great promise.

05:37We were seeing a couple minutes shaved off their speed of service. Certainly wasn't perfect. No one wants to do this manually, but it showed the potential and it was enough to give the entire leadership team conviction that we were on the right track.

05:53In the months that followed, we kept investing in the solution, improving it. So, we were seeing a 50% improvement in speed of service. And as more restaurants were testing it, seeing better and better results, franchises grew excited, investors grew excited, and they were ready to scale to the entire system.

06:14But without that very first test and that glimmer of progress, it would have been really hard to have conviction for what became a multi-year journey. The second place you can look for glimmers of progress is in your team, how they're working together.

06:30Another one of my clients is a gas station and convenience store chain. We worked with them on a multi-year transformation to improve most of their core business functions with AI. So things like how they priced the products in the store, how they staffed their labor and and how many people were staffed in the store, how they planned the inventory mix they were going to have.

06:57At the start of this journey together, we surveyed their team because we wanted to understand if they were going to have any points of friction. Could we get ahead of any challenges? And we found that most of their mid-level managers didn't really feel like they had a voice in how company decisions were being made.

07:18And so the chief digital officer who was leading this implemented a simple powerful concept. Everyone has a flag and I need you to use it. What he meant was no matter your role, no matter your title, if you raise a flag, senior leaders are going to listen and they will act.

07:43Within just a couple months, members of the extended working team had suggested some changes to our timeline, some different ways to think about scoping the use cases, even different ways that we could test things to make sure we were getting the best results.

07:58And the chief digital officer went a little further. He actually had the team members, not the senior leaders, present results regularly to the CEO. This was such a significant cultural shift and we went from people feeling like change was just being forced down into the organization to feeling like they really had a voice in how the objectives were being set.

08:22And it was that shift in the team that gave us confidence that the results we delivered were going to stick. And that was long before we saw the double-digit returns that that transformation yielded. Finally, if you're in a messy middle, you can look for glimmers of progress in yourself.

08:45One of my other clients was the chief strategy officer for a group of snack food brands and we were working with them on a large effort to rethink some of their digital app experiences to develop better email communications and to redesign some of the loyalty programs not just in one of the brands but actually multiple brands across the group.

09:09When we started working together, the chief strategy officer had a lot of conviction, a very clear vision. He was really the one advocating for this transformation, but he hadn't led anything this big, and he didn't really have any intuition on how this journey was going to feel as it unfolded.

09:29And I watched as he grew frustrated, even with his own team, because progress was happening more slowly than he wanted. When other senior members of the organization would question the approach or sometimes just express skepticism, he would grow defensive.

09:50And by the midway point of the 18-month journey, his relationships were strained with most of the other leaders. He came to the realization that he was going to have to change his approach because he couldn't make this successful on his own.

10:06He had to have partnership. And I watched him begin to intentionally tune his leadership style. He started working on building bridges, on bringing people along. He would show up to meetings ready to listen and not trying to push one agenda.

10:28He would work on controlling what he could control and let the organization move at its pace around him. To be honest, it didn't make the journey easier. It was a hard transformation. But that sign of progress in him as a leader actually was one of the biggest indicators that this was going to succeed for the company.

10:52So maybe you're finding yourself in a messy middle right now, personally or professionally. Try to remember messiness is a sign that you're doing something big. You haven't reached the goal yet, but you will. Maybe you haven't won a tennis match like me, but your backhand is improving.

11:15Maybe you haven't hit the big milestone that's next on your list, but you've delivered a small win. Celebrate it. I like to buy cupcakes for my team or make a cake. Maybe you just take the time to call a mentor and share your success. Whatever you do, turn those glimmers into energy that will propel you up the mountain.

11:42Because I am very confident that when you climb over those last few rocks and you walk into the sunshine, you will be really glad that you didn't turn around. Thank you.

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